Pisses me off...

[dafishies]

So I just got back from church and not that I'm a churchgoer but my parents pretty much make me go :\ and we arrive late as usual and I here the priest talking and doing the "homily" thing and I hear him say "why do these little children go from good to evil?" he's referencing like attackers and robbers and shootings and stuff like that. and he continues on to say "what could be causing these children to be doing these things? is it b/c of them not being Nurtured? is it from the actions from their parents?? or is it from playing too many video games .

When I heard this I was pissed off on so many levels.
1. he said "children" specifying that only children play video games.
2. he never said "violent" video games, he just said video games in general
3. Pretty much all "attacks" or "shootings" do have kids playing video games, but its been proven that that's not the main reason that kids shoot other people or attack ppl.
4. he later says that "children's actions" are what changes them, so wtf do video games have to do with it???
5. he says also that "children viewing themselves" also helps change it and video games make you feel better b/c you accomplish things u can't do in real life.......also kill people lol but still refer back to number 3.

so does anybody else have any feelings on this?? I'm not hating any religion or anything by saying this and I hope you don't think down upon me for saying "church" but thats where it happend so idk what else to say this made me want to yell at him......but i obviously didn't

IM SORRY IF YOUR OFFENDED AND I APOLOGIZE COMPLETELY IF YOU ARE. thanks for reading...

[hamdemon]

Personally, I think it's idiotic to blame every kind of violent or immoral behavior performed by minors on video games. I mean sure, at time's they're violent, but more than anything, they're just like interactive movies or ways to vent one's frustrations. I suppose it's logical to think that if a person enjoys shooting people in a game, there are so-and-so steps from that to taking it into the real world, however, it's just plain stupid to not consider the pepetrator's mental health as well. After all, if a schizophrenic (sp?) gamer commits a murder, doesn't it make more sense to observe their disorder than their hobbies?

My most hated instances of video game bashing are once minors are caught shooting each other up, robbing a store, or something like that, and then they use video games as a scape goat so that blame doesn't get placed on themselves. It's also irksome to see parents cry "Oh, my child is perfect in every way, it's those **** video games that turned them into manslaughtering monsters!" In these cases, it's often appropriate to take a look at the parent themselves because it's obvious that they and the child are at least partly responsible for the crimes committed.

Now, I am speaking as a minor who enjoys playing violent video games, not for their gore, but for the innovation and entertainment that they provide for the genre. It's not so much the amount of dismemberment a game delivers, as it is the amount of times it makes me go, "Whoa, I've never seen THAT done before." I personally don't believe video games corrupt kids. Geez, my first video game was Mortal Kombat on the Sega Genesis when I was three. Regardless, I am able to see how people could start blaming violent video games for violent actions taken by players. However, it has become less about rooting out the bad seeds, and more about persecuting the lot us.

[riutse]

Jul 19, 2008 18:28:41 GMT -5 dafishies said:

When I heard this I was pissed off on so many levels.
1. he said "children" specifying that only children play video games.

No, if you actually read over what you claimed he said, you'll see that he was probably saying that children (Who are easily influenced by what they see) are being given ideas by videogames, not that only children play videogames.

In response to point 2, he probably meant violent videogames, but felt that it would be redundant to actually say "violent videogames". Simply because they wouldn't be getting the idea to do violent nuts from non-violent videogames.

Point 3: I don't recall it being "proven" that video games were not the main cause, and true, it probably wasn't the main reason, they were likely under a lot of stress or bullied by others. But you can't say that videogames don't play a part.

When you play a first person shooter A LOT, you get good at it usually, it starts to give you a feeling of being invincible as you kill your way to the top with no one being able to stop you. People who play videogames for an extended period of time are often social introverts, as such, they're highly susceptible to associating real life with the virtual world.
A light example of this, is a person thinking they can handle a shotgun after playing a game, only to come to using a real one and having the gun fly out of their hands because of recoil, they thought they were an experienced marksman, but in fact weren't.
A more extreme case of this, is a person thinking they can go rambo in a school with a handgun and once they're done racking up a good score, typing kill in console and waiting to respawn, only they don't respawn. From your sane point of mind, it's hard to imagine people thinking like this, but it happens.

Basically, videogames may not have been the main cause, but they may have been the sense of self empowerment and fantasy that someone needed to do what they've secretly wanted to do.

Point 4: Children's actions are what changes them. Their actions may have been influenced by video games. Next point.

Point 5: What.

[Nicholas.Mathew]

"People who play videogames for an extended period of time are often social introverts, as such, they're highly susceptible to associating real life with the virtual world."

Do you really know this or did you just here it on the news and believe it.

[exocel]

Ive had to give a presentation on this at university, i summed it up in one sentence, "theres too many variables to say". every single human being is unique, everyone leads different lives, have different tastes and so on and so forth. people can have similarities, thats how you get subcultures, like goths or jocks or whatever, but still all those people are going to like and dislike different things. they all live different lives, were raised in different ways and you will never find two people who have been raised the same way, and come to the same place at the same point in life.

You cant generalize with video-games, just like horror movies, hundreds of millions of people play video-games, why arent there hundreds of millions of gun toting psychos?. anything you hear on the news, particularly a network like fox is good old fashioned fear mongering. just like over here in the uk in the mid 1980's when films like the evil dead were dubbed "video nasties" and were "corrupting our youth with murder and violence"
....what the differencial between murder adn violence is a bit moot, since murder is violent, but im digressing here.

pooint is i watch horror movies more than any other genre, my games blog is on horror games because there the ones ive played the most since i was a child, and here at the 20 year mark, ive never got into a fight i haven't been able to talk myself out of. never gotten violent, curse like a sailor, but thats just too much shit tv influencing my language i reckon. but my meaning is i dont feel the need on an off day to go columbine on my class at uni. but like i said, every persons different so it might not be the same for someone else.
but thats the thing, i cant disprove it, but it certainly cannot be proved either.

[riutse]

Jul 20, 2008 1:07:11 GMT -5 Nicholas.Mathew said:

"People who play videogames for an extended period of time are often social introverts, as such, they're highly susceptible to associating real life with the virtual world."

Do you really know this or did you just here it on the news and believe it.

Hey, I'm just saying, if you're spending 9 hours playing a game by yourself, then you obviously have nothing else better to do outside.

Protip: I only watch the news when there are school shootings, and only for a laugh.

Also, most of my gamer friends from school are shut ins.

[PunchDrunkGaming]

so you laugh when you see kids get shot up in schools?

Back to topic, news stations will blame video games for quite some time because it is really a new form of mass entertainment that is becoming more and more popular.

A good book to read is Grand Theft Childhood. It is a very good read and helps explain in depth video games and violence.

[riutse]

I don't really see how people blaming video games for turning kids violent affects us all that much. Most of the games that are condemned by people, usually come out anyway, even Manhunt 2 is still coming out.

When a good game like GTA get's outlawed because of the idiots, THEN we should start caring and move into action. But right now we can just sit back and laugh at anyone who has a weird grudge against videogames.

[deadlyelite]

its because when something happens people need something to blame and at one point in their life the person who did the crime has stood beside a video game and thus that is what is blamed

[virtualnav]

Now now, lets not talk about video games only. Also the parents, those who actualy BUY those violent games for their childrens.

Why buy a M rated game for your 13 year old? Because he cries ''bawww I want this game baaww''? Parents need to do their jobs and raise their childrens properly. Most parents know how to do their jobs, dont get me wrong im not saying all parents sucks. Parents just need to know if their children is mature enough for this game.

Also, gamers need to make the difference between the real world and video games.

[dafishies]

Jul 20, 2008 14:03:45 GMT -5 riutse said:

I don't really see how people blaming video games for turning kids violent affects us all that much. Most of the games that are condemned by people, usually come out anyway, even Manhunt 2 is still coming out.

When a good game like GTA get's outlawed because of the idiots, THEN we should start caring and move into action. But right now we can just sit back and laugh at anyone who has a weird grudge against videogames.

Riutse, you must not really care about video games very much to say that. it affects everybody who cares about videogames. How u ask?

if video games are being put in the media as bad things that kids shouldn't do, then ppl who play video games get frowned upon. but if the media said nothing bad about video games, then nobody would care if anyone played them which is the difference. I know in my life that if video games were looked at in a positive way, then I would have an xbox 360 right now....How u ask again? well my parents don't like my getting new video games b/c they think its stupid and that its a waste of time which is shown on the news.

Point 3: I don't recall it being "proven" that video games were not the main cause, and true, it probably wasn't the main reason, they were likely under a lot of stress or bullied by others. But you can't say that videogames don't play a part.

what about this???

"Entertainment shouldn't be sold short, as it does tend to influence people. However, when it truly comes down to it, it would be ludicrous to place the blame of violent, unforgivable actions upon a popular form of entertainment. If it were any bit true then the United States alone would have somewhere in the vicinity of a quarter of its population teetering on the edge of violent explosion from a few hours with Grand Theft Auto III.
-Rashawn Blanchard, www.associatedcontent.com/article/224962/video_games_and_violence_not_causing.html

this obviously shows that video games can't be the sole problem.

When you play a first person shooter A LOT, you get good at it usually, it starts to give you a feeling of being invincible as you kill your way to the top with no one being able to stop you. People who play videogames for an extended period of time are often social introverts, as such, they're highly susceptible to associating real life with the virtual world.
A light example of this, is a person thinking they can handle a shotgun after playing a game, only to come to using a real one and having the gun fly out of their hands because of recoil, they thought they were an experienced marksman, but in fact weren't.
A more extreme case of this, is a person thinking they can go rambo in a school with a handgun and once they're done racking up a good score, typing kill in console and waiting to respawn, only they don't respawn. From your sane point of mind, it's hard to imagine people thinking like this, but it happens.

are u being serious with this??? if u play video games for a long time you are definately NOT a social introvert?? an example.....FOURPLAYERPODCAST, they are obviously NOT social introverts.....and when u say "go rambo" that proves my point because RAMBO IS A MOVIE NOT A VIDEO GAME.....

Point 4: Children's actions are what changes them. Their actions may have been influenced by video games. Next point.

Well, if u read my post carefully you would have seen the "parents actions" at the top is what I meant to say at the bottom, so that doesn't prove anything.

Point 5: What.

ummmmmm self confidence? self-esteem?? people play video games to feel good when they complete a task and if that task is killing a person, why would they do it in real life? when they can do it in the game???

srry I just wanted to clarify some things for you cause I feel strongly on this issue and I always hate it when ppl say stuff like this....it "pisses me off" XD

[riutse]

Jul 20, 2008 18:25:27 GMT -5 dafishies said:

Riutse, you must not really care about video games very much to say that. it affects everybody who cares about videogames. How u ask?

if video games are being put in the media as bad things that kids shouldn't do, then ppl who play video games get frowned upon. but if the media said nothing bad about video games, then nobody would care if anyone played them which is the difference. I know in my life that if video games were looked at in a positive way, then I would have an xbox 360 right now....How u ask again? well my parents don't like my getting new video games b/c they think its stupid and that its a waste of time which is shown on the news.

I like videogames, play them at least once daily, but I haven't seen many banned. So the chance of me not being able to play an ultra violent game is slim.

And what people say about my hobbies doesn't bother me at all.

How old are you? Couldn't you just buy a 360 yourself? If your parents won't let you spend your own money on a 360 then that's your parents fault for being dumb. Or poor. Or both.

what about this???

"Entertainment shouldn't be sold short, as it does tend to influence people. However, when it truly comes down to it, it would be ludicrous to place the blame of violent, unforgivable actions upon a popular form of entertainment. If it were any bit true then the United States alone would have somewhere in the vicinity of a quarter of its population teetering on the edge of violent explosion from a few hours with Grand Theft Auto III.
-Rashawn Blanchard, www.associatedcontent.com/article/224962/video_games_and_violence_not_causing.html

this obviously shows that video games can't be the sole problem.

I never claimed it to be the sole problem.

are u being serious with this??? if u play video games for a long time you are definately NOT a social introvert?? an example.....FOURPLAYERPODCAST, they are obviously NOT social introverts.....

They're what I like to call Social Gamers, they play by themselves and with others, and generally get out a lot too.

I'm talking about solo gamers, the guys who stay in all day playing games, don't go out with their friends, because they don't have any or they abandoned them to finish their game. I can't claim all solo gamers to be shut ins, but you also can't claim 4PP to be what every other person is like.

and when u say "go rambo" that proves my point because RAMBO IS A MOVIE NOT A VIDEO GAME.....

I was of course referring to the term, "Go Rambo", which is a common term among people who have seen rambo, which means: Go solo and kill anything that moves. Basically.

Also to make fun of your lack of googling ability, there actually was a Rambo Game.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambo_(video_game)

Well, if u read my post carefully you would have seen the "parents actions" at the top is what I meant to say at the bottom, so that doesn't prove anything.

Dude, you meant to say "Parents Actions" but you didn't, it's your own fault.

ummmmmm self confidence? self-esteem?? people play video games to feel good when they complete a task and if that task is killing a person, why would they do it in real life? when they can do it in the game???

I don't know about you, but I play games to have fun, not to feel like my life isn't a total failure. Bully victims play games to feel like they've accomplished something, and they're the ones doing all the shooting.

srry I just wanted to clarify some things for you cause I feel strongly on this issue and I always hate it when ppl say stuff like this....it "pisses me off" XD

You get upset when someone plays Devil's Advocate and actually provides a fairly decent argument that doesn't exactly agree with all your hyper symplistic points?

[dafishies]

I like videogames, play them at least once daily, but I haven't seen many banned. So the chance of me not being able to play an ultra violent game is slim.

And what people say about my hobbies doesn't bother me at all.

How old are you? Couldn't you just buy a 360 yourself? If your parents won't let you spend your own money on a 360 then that's your parents fault for being dumb. Or poor. Or both.

Ok, u have no idea how my life is or what my position is so you have no right to say anything like that. I'm 17 and If i went out and bought a 360, my parents would just return it. and not cause their dumb, but b/c they don't think that I should spend my money on video games. I'm trying to be nice about this whole thing b/c your pretty much being an not a very nice person and telling me I'm completely wrong about everything I just said.

I never claimed it to be the sole problem.

ok fine I can agree with you on this b/c u nvr said its the main problem im sorry.

They're what I like to call Social Gamers, they play by themselves and with others, and generally get out a lot too.

I'm talking about solo gamers, the guys who stay in all day playing games, don't go out with their friends, because they don't have any or they abandoned them to finish their game. I can't claim all solo gamers to be shut ins, but you also can't claim 4PP to be what every other person is like.

But those people can't be considered "social introverts". just b/c they want to finish a game doesn't mean they don't have a life. and unless YOUR a social introvert you can't be telling people if they are or not...I don't see a psychology degree on you. and I'm not claiming 4PP to be like everyone else. I was implying that YOU were saying that.

I was of course referring to the term, "Go Rambo", which is a common term among people who have seen rambo, which means: Go solo and kill anything that moves. Basically.

Also to make fun of your lack of googling ability, there actually was a Rambo Game.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambo_(video_game)

Lack of googling ability?? I knew there was a rambo game, without even having to google it. Don't try to be a smartass about this, Because nobody says "go rambo" without thinking of the MOVIE. I don't think people plan there lives on "Going Rambo".........

by the way:
Video games

* Rambo (video game) – based on Rambo II. Released for: NES, and MSX.

* Rambo: First Blood Part II - Released for: Amstrad CPC, Apple II, Commodore 64, DOS, Master System, and ZX Spectrum.

* Rambo III – Released for: Amiga, Amstrad CPC, Arcades, Atari ST, Commodore 64, DOS, MSX, Master System, Sega Genesis, and ZX Spectrum.

* Rambo On Fire – Released for: Mobile phones

* A Rambo light gun arcade shooter scheduled for release on September 2008 in Japan. The game is made by Sega. There is no word on international releases.


any RECENT rambo games u wanna talk about??? cause I don't think a phone game or a nes or sega game is gonna corrupt somebody today.......

Dude, you meant to say "Parents Actions" but you didn't, it's your own fault.

so what if i forgot?? nobody else cares......except for you..

I don't know about you, but I play games to have fun, not to feel like my life isn't a total failure. Bully victims play games to feel like they've accomplished something, and they're the ones doing all the shooting.

You are ridiculous. Everybody plays games to have fun, but playing games impacts a persons self-esteem by beating their friend or beating another player online or a specific game. Little challenges people set up for themselves not put into the game. thats what makes games fun. Making your own side-games in between seeing how many cans you can tip over.

You get upset when someone plays Devil's Advocate and actually provides a fairly decent argument that doesn't exactly agree with all your hyper symplistic points?

I never said I was upset......I just don't like it when people tell me I'm Completely wrong with something I say when I KNOW I'm not. there are several other people on this forum that agree with me instead of you. you don't have to be an not a very nice person about it.

I was trying to be nice.....I was TRYING to not get angry or anything b/c you were giving me a legitimate response and you had to take all that..........and really just piss me off. Either intentionally or unintentionally. either way I don't care. This is me saying right now that I dont' care what you respond, but I'm not gonna make a long post again against it. its a waste of my time, that I don't need to do to get some arrogant person to get off my back about something I brought up. So right now I'm not surrendering....so don't put that in your little quoted response from me cause im not. I'm simply stating I'm not gonna deal with your bullnuts anymore cause I have better things to do with my time. I tried to be nice and you just couldn't resist but to piss me off.I'm sorry if anyone feels bad about this but I have to say this cause riutse if pissing me off NOT cause he's making an argument.....noo...noo.noo that was not why I gave a response in the first place. but Because he took everything I said...literally everything like I did with him, and completely just says I'm wrong...so I'm not putting a response like this so you can just do whatever u want.

[bl00dey3s]

well i see this is a "post quotes from ppl and comment on them" time

anyway. im pissed when ppl say video games cause violence in real life. violene has been going on way before video games were ever created.

also if you can kill someone in a video game why would they do it in real life. alot of video games substitute real life killing. if is wasnt for video game violence you would probably see more real life killings actually.

[dafishies]

yeah blood i agree. I'm not reply to that guy anymore cause I don't wantt o quote and respond. its a waste of time.