What is God, and why should we worship it?

[Reaper5103]

i heard final note and decided to say the same thing i've always said "God is Nobunaga, why must you question Him?"

[Cocyx The Skeleton]

you can say it 500 more times and it'll still be unfunny

[phillip00]

Science isn't a way to prove that God doesn't exist. And I don't see why peple think it's a way to do so. For all you know, it was God's way.

But honestly, once again, Im sick of your bullshit. I believe in God not because I need someone to take the blame for anything, or because it answers questions to answers (scientifically) I didn't know the answers to, cause Lord knows the answers have been found. I choose to believe because I want to believe. You think I haven't thought "This God guy doesn't make much sense". Ya, I've had those thoughts, I'm not a perfect Christian. But I can't just let go, because I know He's really there.

And most everyone else will tell you the same thing. It's faith.

[Travis]

Nov 18, 2008 21:44:58 GMT -5 Cocyx The Skeleton said:

so basically the closest you can get to prove something doesnt exist is to disprove everything that says it does exist to bring it down to no proof something exists

so basically you cant prove anything doesnt exist




what a logic loophole

in the minds of people, no you cant prove anything doesnt exist. Since everyones perception is different, what they consider fact and fiction will be different as well.

i am trying so hard to stop coming to this thread. dammit STOP RESPONDING TO MY POSTS AND I WILL STOP COMING!!!..... nice

[Travis]

Nov 18, 2008 21:57:21 GMT -5 Cocyx The Skeleton said:

so the only thing religion has got going for it is the massive amounts of gullible people who indulge into it because they were born into it and the false sense of paranoia that you'd go to hell if you didn't believe in god

did i hit the nail on the head there

or its what makes them happy... you know... whichever. You may find happiness knowing that you are in complete control fo your life, and the only real judge. some might think otherwise. While I may come to the point where i fuck up bad enough where no one loves me, a christian will still have god.


that is a very good reason to believe in a god i think.

[Cocyx The Skeleton]

so it goes back to the original 'god is an imaginary friend for adults' i guess

[Travis]

Nov 19, 2008 0:09:53 GMT -5 Cocyx The Skeleton said:

so it goes back to the original 'god is an imaginary friend for adults' i guess

well, you know.... and forced imaginary friends for kids

[Cocyx The Skeleton]

Nov 18, 2008 23:53:49 GMT -5 phillip00 said:

But I can't just let go, because I know He's really there

no. you don't. no one knows he's really there. and no one knows he's -not- really there.


also lol @ mod

[AznSenzation]

Well, i guess we just have to wait until we die.

[Cocyx The Skeleton]

well my argument is that it's just a concept with no proof, and a ridiculous concept at that

why worship god when you can worship the flying spaghetti monster? the point being is; they're both equally ridiculous, both have no proof they exist but both have no proof they don't exist, the only thing religion has going for it is, well, like i said before, superstition of going to hell and the massive amounts of gullible people who believe in it, most being born into it

[heybert]

you know what im not good at debates, but i knda had thought that Earth was already Hell and not the make-belief underground firey place. All these killings and tortures and the crazy people running around the world doing all sorts of bullshizzle makes me think this is hell.













THIS IS HELL!!!

[Cocyx The Skeleton]

you're delusional

[mypallyowndu]

There have been several attempts to offer logical proofs for the existence of God. I think most have their origins in the medieval philosophers.

A popular one is the Cosmological Argument which goes something like this:

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause of its existence
2. The universe began to exist
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its existence
4. Since physical laws cannot provide a causal story for the origins of the universe, the explanation must involve a personal agent (e.g. God)

Most arguments for the existence of God are like this. They start with a premise about something existing and then say that the only thing that explains its existence is God. For example:

1) Certain features of the natural world cannot be explained through evolution but only through design by a being with an end in mind; therefore God exists.

2) There are moral truths that are universal (it is wrong to kill an innocent person) and the best explanation for the existence of moral truths is a God commanding moral truths and making them self-evident to us by giving us the gift of reason.

Etc. etc.

[smokeybingo]

The point is, God CAN"T be proven. There is nothing in the Bible or any other religious text that "prove" the existence of God. Religion isn't based on proof, it is based on faith - the belief that there is something greater than myself controlling everything. Aristotle and Aquinas and all of those other philosophers who tried to prove the existence of God never got it. God doesn't WANT to be proven - that would be too easy.

[Darknezz]

Nov 24, 2008 13:37:45 GMT -5 mypallyowndu said:

There have been several attempts to offer logical proofs for the existence of God. I think most have their origins in the medieval philosophers.

A popular one is the Cosmological Argument which goes something like this:

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause of its existence
2. The universe began to exist
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its existence
4. Since physical laws cannot provide a causal story for the origins of the universe, the explanation must involve a personal agent (e.g. God)

Most arguments for the existence of God are like this. They start with a premise about something existing and then say that the only thing that explains its existence is God. For example:

1) Certain features of the natural world cannot be explained through evolution but only through design by a being with an end in mind; therefore God exists.

2) There are moral truths that are universal (it is wrong to kill an innocent person) and the best explanation for the existence of moral truths is a God commanding moral truths and making them self-evident to us by giving us the gift of reason.

Etc. etc.

The problem with that is then, "What caused God?"

Generally, I get the answer that "God has always been and does not need a creator," but that contradicts the first train of logic.

Yes, the universe exists. Yes, something made it exist. No, we don't no what that is. No, that does not prove that it was God.

This is called a "God of the gaps" argument. Just because we don't know how something came about does not give you the right to assert that it was "God" without providing evidence for your claim.

Oh wait, we're talking about GOD! There's no reason to present any evidence or use any kind of logic!

As for the intelligent design quote... That's another debate entirely.