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Post by Travis on Nov 18, 2008 12:01:43 GMT -5
I have a lot of respect for you guys. This isn't an easy topic to discuss. saying that she no longer has respect for me... because i made it personal  |
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Post by rabbeseking on Nov 18, 2008 12:03:53 GMT -5
I guess this is what the Debate subforum is for, topics's that aren't always easy to discuss.
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Post by SnowOwl96 on Nov 18, 2008 12:12:50 GMT -5
I have a lot of respect for you guys. This isn't an easy topic to discuss. saying that she no longer has respect for me... because i made it personal Goober, I did not say that. I said "I had respect for you and the other members on here." Good morning, Travis
Love yah, travis
Have a nice day, travis!  *hugs travis* P.s. Frowning is bad for you though blushing is kinda cute. Anything else I forgot?  |
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Post by Darknezz on Nov 18, 2008 14:33:35 GMT -5
And without a justification to believe the claim of a God, there is no reason to believe that said God exists. If we do take it on blind faith that it exists, there's still no reason to worship it. darknezz... thats bullsh it. if you want to make a thread for people to somehow show you that there is a god, you can not go into it like that. there is absolutely NO proof that god exists, yet millions worship him. its not blind faith because people feel something there. its a personal experience. when you go about it as blindly as you are, then you are just being ignorant. I think you have no intention of finding a faith at all, you just wanted a thread with a lot of responses.... yah, im calling you out. Actually, I'm asking for a justification to believe in the God that you define, and a justification for worshiping it. This whole business of God started with religion during a time when people were stupid and ignorant and had no knowledge of the world. To explain things that people didn't understand, other people invented Gods. From there, stories were passed down from generation to generation and eventually, we get to today, when people "share" a belief, even though it's just a big folklore story. I view God as I view the Loch Ness Monster. I've heard of people saying its a real thing, I've heard people who say they've seen it, but there is still no justification or any form of evidence to support the idea that it exists. Saying that I'm ignorant because there is no justification to believe your claims does not make any sense. It would be ignorant of me to follow your claims blindly. And you're right, I'm not looking to join a church or religion or faith. I just want to know what your justifications for believing what you do and worshiping what you do are, because as far as Christianity and Jewish beliefs, that's a terrible God, that even if it did exist, I would worship it except out of fear. Oh, and Azn, you've still not told us what you BELIEVE. I'm assuming you don't believe in a God, making you an agnostic atheist. |
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Post by Travis on Nov 18, 2008 15:13:05 GMT -5
and you said the justification to worship a god yourself "To explain things that people didn't understand..."
THough thats one of the simpler ways to put it, yes
so you answered your own question
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Post by AznSenzation on Nov 18, 2008 15:30:26 GMT -5
You must understand, Darknezz, that we cannot prove anything with proper jusitification. We have no evidence. We have no proof. All we have is belief. Belief from the teachings of Jesus, passed down, and us Christians have chosen to go with this choice.
You don't believe in him. I understand. That's the beauty of faith. Do with it what you will. That's what it means to have faith. To choose what you want. But the problem arisen now, is that you still bring the topic forth when we've given our parts to what we can and can't explain.
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Post by Darknezz on Nov 18, 2008 15:37:20 GMT -5
no, what i was saying was ignorant is that you are coming into this argument without any actual plan to change over or anything, though its what you asked for. What you are really asking is to be able to bash peoples beliefs as they try to reason with you. Actually, I was more curious than anything else and bashing other peoples' beliefs is not ignorant. It would be ignorant if I didn't actually do some research into the subject. I personally believe the same thing you do, that god is just a story passed down for generations. But what i believe that i think you don't is that just because it doesn't exist in my life, doesnt mean it doesnt exist in others. I don't look down on others for believing in god, i praise them and am happy they have a way to feel better about themselves or whatever. I realize that their life is different than mine and they are more than welcome to believe in whatever they want to become happy. I don't think im smarter than them, nor better off. I do not look down on people who believe in God either, though I do think them a tad foolish for it. but now when you are asking, they are telling their side of the story, their life... and you are just slapping their thoughts away. Thats whats ignorant, thats whats disrespectful. You do have some real arguments and thats appropriate, and then you have some "PSSSSH where are your facts?" It may be disrespectful, but again, it isn't ignorance. Also, if there's nothing to argue about, such as these "blind faith" things that keep coming up, the only counter to it is asking for evidence. You can't prove a negative. there are no facts, there never will be any facts, unless jesus f**kign christ rises again, we are set in stone with whats happening and its up to us to determine our own lives. You have already determined yours, so instead of fooling people into thinking you are open minded and seriously deciding whether or not you will be athiest, agnostic, or whatever, just.... talk about something else. Good plan. |
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Post by SnowOwl96 on Nov 18, 2008 15:44:09 GMT -5
So shall we close this up with our final thoughts. I'm sensing some arm twisting in here. o.O Don't get me wrong this was kinda interesting to read and reply back too. But I feel like we're kinda going in a semi massive circle. So unless anyone ubjects(sp) how about we close this thing and start a new debate.
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Post by AznSenzation on Nov 18, 2008 15:57:25 GMT -5
So shall we close this up with our final thoughts. I'm sensing some arm twisting in here. o.O Don't get me wrong this was kinda interesting to read and reply back too. But I feel like we're kinda going in a semi massive circle. So unless anyone ubjects(sp) how about we close this thing and start a new debate. Okay. We believe whichever faith we wish, with what we have and will have. The evidence, though we have none, doesn't matter. If you wish to not believe, take our words into consideration, and think on it, otherwise, stick to your faith. |
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Post by Cocyx The Skeleton on Nov 18, 2008 16:19:26 GMT -5
isn't having no proof something exists proof that it doesn't exist?
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Post by SnowOwl96 on Nov 18, 2008 16:36:41 GMT -5
Well every religion is different. Theres a story for each religion that has been passed down over time. Tbh, I won't know if there is a god or not until I'm dead and my lifeless carcass is baried in the ground on which we stand and walk on. Uh, but I'll have to wait 50-80 yrs. until that happens. I'll be surprised if I last 90, 104 might make me somewhat ecstatic but then again I'll probably be in a nursing home in a wheelchair trying to get the nurses attention because I want my teeth or pain killers.
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Post by Travis on Nov 18, 2008 20:38:44 GMT -5
isn't having no proof something exists proof that it doesn't exist? The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. And yah, i agree with snow owl, this has started to go in circles. well, on a final note.... its funny how darknezz and i can argue while we are on the same fucking side! not that i mind. it was fun |
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Post by Cocyx The Skeleton on Nov 18, 2008 21:44:58 GMT -5
so basically the closest you can get to prove something doesnt exist is to disprove everything that says it does exist to bring it down to no proof something exists
so basically you cant prove anything doesnt exist
what a logic loophole
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Post by Darknezz on Nov 18, 2008 21:49:04 GMT -5
so basically the closest you can get to prove something doesnt exist is to disprove everything that says it does exist to bring it down to no proof something exists so basically you cant prove anything doesnt exist what a logic loophole That's where the argument "You can't prove a negative" comes up. That's also why there is something called the burden of proof. If you're making a claim such as "God exists," you have the burden of proof. You must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that your claim is correct. Much like in a court case. Now, in science, this is done through experiments and tests, but with the idea of God, there's really no way to test something like that. |
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Post by Cocyx The Skeleton on Nov 18, 2008 21:57:21 GMT -5
so the only thing religion has got going for it is the massive amounts of gullible people who indulge into it because they were born into it and the false sense of paranoia that you'd go to hell if you didn't believe in god
did i hit the nail on the head there
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