What is God, and why should we worship it?

[Darknezz]

Feb 23, 2009 23:38:26 GMT -5 str4ngerd4nger said:

i generally stay away from stuff like this mainly because of the uneducated things that are said and have almost no relevance to the topic of Religion, much like this post.

But really I just came to say that I believe what I think is right, I have been raised catholic and my faith is pretty strong.

Thanks for backing up your claim with well thought out arguments to support your wildly outrageous claim, and not just saying "I think it's right."

You're my hero.

[str4ngerd4nger]

Feb 23, 2009 23:41:00 GMT -5 Darknezz said:

Feb 23, 2009 23:38:26 GMT -5 str4ngerd4nger said:

i generally stay away from stuff like this mainly because of the uneducated things that are said and have almost no relevance to the topic of Religion, much like this post.

But really I just came to say that I believe what I think is right, I have been raised catholic and my faith is pretty strong.

Thanks for backing up your claim with well thought out arguments to support your wildly outrageous claim, and not just saying "I think it's right."

You're my hero.

/sarcasm?

if not then thanks

[Darknezz]

Feb 23, 2009 23:43:18 GMT -5 str4ngerd4nger said:

Feb 23, 2009 23:41:00 GMT -5 Darknezz said:

Thanks for backing up your claim with well thought out arguments to support your wildly outrageous claim, and not just saying "I think it's right."

You're my hero.

/sarcasm?

if not then thanks

...I hate you.

[kakihara]

Feb 23, 2009 23:25:40 GMT -5 Darknezz said:

Excuse me, but who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and can't believe? If I believe that Atheism is the belief that there is no god and not, "the absence of faith", that's sort of my decision and not you, nor any other theist can say differently; that's sort of the whole point of religion. I realize you must think your Christian logic of, "fuck you, I'm right, your wrong, blah blah blah" is worthy in this debate, but in reality it's just depressingly childish.

Oh my god, can you be any stupider?

Atheism is not the belief that there is no god. That isn't how the word is defined anywhere among Atheists ourselves, except the occasional, uneducated prick like you.

Atheism is the disbelief of a claim, that claim being that a God exists.

You, asshat, are missing the entire structure of the concept. Atheism isn't something people believe in, it has no room for personal interpretation of the word. There is no dogma, no set of beliefs, not even an organized gathering outside of certain clubs and groups in small areas. There is nothing to be "devout" about.

I realize you must think your logic of, "I'm stupid so I'm gonna spout uneducated gibberish and then try to back it up with circular logic" works in some form of debate on the planet Xenu. The problem is, this is Earth, where humans with brains exist.

And to clarify, I'm not a Christian, nor have I ever been tied to any religion, except being forced to attend a church with my grandmother once. If I were part of some sort of religion, I would accept your claim of being a devout Atheist, because I would be a closed-minded, uneducated and disrespectful thingywaffle like your self.

Good day.

Feb 23, 2009 23:31:05 GMT -5 Travis said:

ah, its funny how you try to attack my "christian fuck you im right...ness" by doing the very "im right" thing yourself.
first of all, not christian.
second of all.... lol

Nowhere did I call any of you christians, I simply stated that you were using christian logic.

Secondly, Darknezz, you're an incompetent fool who argues over the stupidest shit and doesn't realize he's a fool, which is the worst kind. Honestly, I would expect better from a fellow atheist, but you apparently have nothing else to debate about so you decide to debate about the fucking DEFINITION OF ATHEISM. Are you really that much of an ass to say that I can't have my own definition of atheism? You don't realize that religion is all determined and defined by the individual, that's why it's RELIGION.
And also, insulting someone and saying the same thing about 5 times in your argument to make it look long and complex doesn't work, try again buddy.

[SnowOwl96]

Kaki, darling, look at the top paragraph on Nezzie's quote box. The third line down you have typed "I realize you must think your Christian logic of, "fuck you, I'm right, your wrong, blah blah blah" is worthy in this debate, but in reality it's just depressingly childish."

edit:

It says there sweetheart. I apolagize if I misread it but I thought that you were assuming they were christians by saying "your christian logic." Now if you were to re-word that sentence perhaps by saying something along the lines of "I realize that your logic of christianity is/of...." Then I wouldn't have misread what you were saying.
Once again if I misread your post then I apolagize.

[kakihara]

Feb 24, 2009 15:04:44 GMT -5 SnowOwl96 said:

Kaki, darling, look at the top paragraph on Nezzie's quote box. The third line down you have typed "I realize you must think your Christian logic of, "fuck you, I'm right, your wrong, blah blah blah" is worthy in this debate, but in reality it's just depressingly childish."

edit:

It says there sweetheart. I apolagize if I misread it but I thought that you were assuming they were christians by saying "your christian logic." Now if you were to re-word that sentence perhaps by saying something along the lines of "I realize that your logic of christianity is/of...." Then I wouldn't have misread what you were saying.
Once again if I misread your post then I apolagize.

I was simply stating that in this particular debate, they were using Christian logic, although I can see how it could be confusing. I apologize if I didn't make that clear enough the first time.

[AznSenzation]

fuckin a, this is a debate. or at least it was. now i just sounds like a complete argument.

God is the almighty creator of heaven and earth, and everyone and everything. We worship him because of everything he's done for us. While many people think that he's imaginary, I respectfully disagree. Clone brought up a good point, saying that we've done everything ourselves. I too, respectfully disagree. God gives us help. We have the power to make our own decisions. God guides us, has a plan, a plan for everyone. This is in the perspective of Christian, and Catholic teachings from years of being taught in religion classes and CCD (Confraternity of Christian Doctrine)

[SnowOwl96]

I tried azn, but travis and the others wanted to keep it going. So I guess this will go on until travis gets sick of it.

I know this doesn't have much to do with god or any religion but out of curiousity. Why do we keep locking and unlocking this thread? Okay so I'm figuring this out...give me a moment, I got this.

We've or I should say Dark created this thread solely to understand why we believe in god and/or whoever. In doing so we started off quite nicely in explaining each of our reasons, some butted heads a few times and then we got back on track. Eventually some of the members butted heads again and this thing was locked. A few days later this thread was unlocked because some of the members didn't feel that it was time for it to end and they obviously wanted to share much more of what they believed in. We were doing good I'd like to think until some other members posted their thoughts in which caused some more brutal butt heading. I thought some of them were mean and this got locked again. And as of recently this thread is unlocked and there seems to be some more butt heading going on.

I figure even though you guys are buttheading and the fact that some of these posts are kinda mean..no one wants this thread locked.

Now Back on topic

I thought that everyone had their own religious belief, sooo... I take it there can not be more than one atheist belief. That there is only one set belief for atheism? Or should I go read the first 8-9 pages again? o.O

[kakihara]

If this is how you guys generally debate, then that's alright with me, I've debated with lots of people in my time. But it does seem to be becoming a little bit vulgar and there's a lot of uncalled for-insults; the idea of a debate is to prove the other person wrong, not to make him cry.

[AznSenzation]

He's a driven man. It'll take a while.

[BetaMaxx]

Personally I've always felt religion is what you take out of it, so trying to get people to understand your viewpoint is usually pointless because everyone will have a different viewpoint.

[SnowOwl96]

Feb 24, 2009 15:41:03 GMT -5 BetaMaxx said:

Personally I've always felt religion is what you take out of it, so trying to get people to understand your viewpoint is usually pointless because everyone will have a different viewpoint.

But even so, well, take me for instance. I'm a christian and even though my friends may not believe in the same things as I do, being opened minded I try to see things their way even though my religious background is different from theirs. I still try to make an effort to understand and keep my mind open to the "what ifs."

[kakihara]

Feb 24, 2009 15:53:05 GMT -5 SnowOwl96 said:

Feb 24, 2009 15:41:03 GMT -5 BetaMaxx said:

Personally I've always felt religion is what you take out of it, so trying to get people to understand your viewpoint is usually pointless because everyone will have a different viewpoint.

But even so, well, take me for instance. I'm a christian and even though my friends may not believe in the same things as I do, being opened minded I try to see things their way even though my religious background is different from theirs. I still try to make an effort to understand and keep my mind open to the "what ifs."

I think that's the best thing you can ask of someone's religion, is for them to be culturally tolerant, and not to go into religion trying to prove something, but to share their ideas and beliefs in the hope that we can change ourselves and think differently.

[Darknezz]

Ignoring Kakihara's pathetic excuse of an argument...

Feb 24, 2009 15:29:34 GMT -5 AznSenzation said:

fuckin a, this is a debate. or at least it was. now i just sounds like a complete argument.

God is the almighty creator of heaven and earth, and everyone and everything. We worship him because of everything he's done for us. While many people think that he's imaginary, I respectfully disagree. Clone brought up a good point, saying that we've done everything ourselves. I too, respectfully disagree. God gives us help. We have the power to make our own decisions. God guides us, has a plan, a plan for everyone. This is in the perspective of Christian, and Catholic teachings from years of being taught in religion classes and CCD (Confraternity of Christian Doctrine)

First off, thank you for actually contributing to the topic.

Second, I'd like for you to back up your claims of there being some form of God. All you've done is assert.

[AznSenzation]

Feb 24, 2009 18:26:34 GMT -5 Darknezz said:

Ignoring Kakihara's pathetic excuse of an argument...

Feb 24, 2009 15:29:34 GMT -5 AznSenzation said:

fuckin a, this is a debate. or at least it was. now i just sounds like a complete argument.

God is the almighty creator of heaven and earth, and everyone and everything. We worship him because of everything he's done for us. While many people think that he's imaginary, I respectfully disagree. Clone brought up a good point, saying that we've done everything ourselves. I too, respectfully disagree. God gives us help. We have the power to make our own decisions. God guides us, has a plan, a plan for everyone. This is in the perspective of Christian, and Catholic teachings from years of being taught in religion classes and CCD (Confraternity of Christian Doctrine)

First off, thank you for actually contributing to the topic.

Second, I'd like for you to back up your claims of there being some form of God. All you've done is assert.

That's just it darknezz. As i've said before in the first few replies, God is there by belief, will. There is no hard evidence or proof of God. I've said before, we think that god is there because of teachings by Jesus Christ, Son of God. He told us who he is, was, and ever shall be. There is the chance he was a crazy man, but he did perform miracles.

Like I've said, I'm not %100 sure if God is real, but I do know that he damn very well may be. The reason I can't fully back up my claims of God being real, is because it's very difficult, because the only way we know he's there is from teachings of Jesus Christ, and those teacings being passed down to this very day.