phillip00
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Post by phillip00 on Feb 16, 2009 6:03:08 GMT -5
"Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods, or the rejection of theism"
Affirmation of the nonexistence of gods OR the rejection of theism?
Hmm, by the looks of that you CAN have a devout belief in believing that there is no god.
And that's why this thread is stupid. People will ignorantly shove down religion down your throat, or preach the fact that god doesn't exist. Give it up. Let people do what they want and don't ask questions about it. Especially dont go around saying how stupid someone is for believing in something. It's a slap across the face with a dick to be asked why you believe in something.
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Post by chocothunda on Feb 16, 2009 13:07:31 GMT -5
When you get in to interpretations, and personal ones at that, you're no longer part of any religion. Depending on how you interpret the d**n Bible, how much you're willing to bend its words, you can make it say anything. And what exactly is the "true" way of interpreting the bible? Where exactly is there a rule to saying that you can only interpret one piece of information (in the case of the bible, spiritual and even moral) in only one particular way? Think about this question real quick, as you can apply it to so many different things: psychology, biology, politics, philosophy, music, etc. |
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Post by Clone on Feb 16, 2009 14:26:29 GMT -5
 Im just happy noone is picking apart my post and criticizing me. Please dont start. >__> |
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Post by Darknezz on Feb 16, 2009 16:49:01 GMT -5
"Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods, or the rejection of theism" Affirmation of the nonexistence of gods OR the rejection of theism? Hmm, by the looks of that you CAN have a devout belief in believing that there is no god. And that's why this thread is stupid. People will ignorantly shove down religion down your throat, or preach the fact that god doesn't exist. Give it up. Let people do what they want and don't ask questions about it. Especially dont go around saying how stupid someone is for believing in something. It's a slap across the face with a dick to be asked why you believe in something. Where did you get that half-assed attempt at defining something? Athiesm is the lack of belief, not the belief that there is no god. Learn the difference, please. That's my point. If you allow for personal interpretations, you get aliens and the bible predicting that the Earth is round. There's no such thing as a "true" interpretation of anything. This is why we have a thousand different denominations of Christianity; They all think they're right. |
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Post by SnowOwl96 on Feb 16, 2009 17:13:21 GMT -5
We're still going on about this? o.O
Okay fine, look everyone believes in something, whether one person is right or not, no one truly knows. We won't know who was right and who was wrong until we're dead. Yes, people preach whatever religion they believe in. I do feel that it is wrong to suffocate and force religion down someone's throat. I don't do it because I feel everyone has their own rights and they should believe in whoever they want to be whether it be god, jesus, the spaghetti monster, one horned flying purple people eater or who ever they want.
My point is: No one knows who is right and who is wrong. We all come from different backgrounds and we all believe in something. We all know something happened because of
religion, philosophy and science.
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Post by Darknezz on Feb 16, 2009 18:22:48 GMT -5
We're still going on about this? o.O Okay fine, look everyone believes in something, whether one person is right or not, no one truly knows. We won't know who was right and who was wrong until we're dead. Yes, people preach whatever religion they believe in. I do feel that it is wrong to suffocate and force religion down someone's throat. I don't do it because I feel everyone has their own rights and they should believe in whoever they want to be whether it be god, jesus, the spaghetti monster, one horned flying purple people eater or who ever they want. My point is: No one knows who is right and who is wrong. We all come from different backgrounds and we all believe in something. We all know something happened because of religion, philosophy and science. ::sigh:: And that's all well and good. I simply would like to know how people define their Gods and their justification for trying to have other people belief in said God. |
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Post by phillip00 on Feb 16, 2009 19:08:01 GMT -5
I got that halfassed definition from Wikipedia, and I dare you to fucking question it as a reliable source. That's a bullshit move.
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Post by SnowOwl96 on Feb 16, 2009 19:10:52 GMT -5
Wikipedia isn't always accurate. And yea, I understand dark. I'm just surprised that this thread is still happening. It's pretty neat to read what other people think.
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Post by Darknezz on Feb 16, 2009 21:08:35 GMT -5
I got that halfassed definition from Wikipedia, and I dare you to f**k**g question it as a reliable source. That's a bullshit move. Wikipedia is a viable source, but I don't take it 100%. If you have some other websites, athiest websites, that define it that same, please show them. |
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Post by kakihara on Feb 20, 2009 15:27:53 GMT -5
No, you are false. I strongly believe in the idea of their not being a god, which is where the word, "devout" comes into play. I'm sorry, but I can't dumb it down for you anymore than that. Not an atheist. You, sir, are again, a failure and a fool and an ignorant being. Atheism is the LACK OF BELIEF IN A GOD. Atheism is not the belief that there is no God. Again, there can be no such thing as a "devout" atheist because there is no dogma, no churches, no set of beliefs to follow or be devoted to. Also, this: Excuse me, but who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and can't believe? If I believe that Atheism is the belief that there is no god and not, "the absence of faith", that's sort of my decision and not you, nor any other theist can say differently; that's sort of the whole point of religion. I realize you must think your Christian logic of, "fuck you, I'm right, your wrong, blah blah blah" is worthy in this debate, but in reality it's just depressingly childish. Regardless of what any of you think (and trust me, I don't care), let's think about this in a logical sense. What do you think religion has done most in this world: harm, or help? Simply count up all the statistics throughout history and make a decision. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I'm a devout atheist. Hey Kakihara... .might want to think up a better argument than that. While it is easy to find how many people are harmed by religions, through war and what not, it is much harder to determine how many people on this planet are happier by being religous. I think you ignore that religion makes people happier everyday, or at least, sunday. So, i deem that arguement fallible, and VOID atheist by the way Travis, That's just stupid. I said, "let's think about this in a logical sense", which gives me free reign to make any conjecture I wish about religion, in a "logical sense". |
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Post by Yahto on Feb 20, 2009 15:44:40 GMT -5
I think Epicurus answered this question best.
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Post by SnowOwl96 on Feb 20, 2009 17:42:04 GMT -5
Lets not bash people here now. This is suppose to be a civilized conversation. You may think someone is stupid or screwed up because they don't think exactly like you. Weither you think their belief of atheism isn't right or not doesn't make you right. You can question them about it but please don't bash them. What's the point in asking them about their beliefs if some of you are just going to take their words and shove it down their throats? If we're going to do that then lets lock this thread and be done with it. I know you guys are interested but some of these posts seem a little 'eh mean.
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Post by SnowOwl96 on Feb 23, 2009 22:51:10 GMT -5
I was going to point this out before but since this is re-opened for discussion. Please please do not assume someone is of some religion without asking them or reading the first 8-9 pages.
Darknezz and Travis are both atheists as they've both pointed out in the beginning. Please don't assume that they're christian unless they say otherwise. Just a friendly reminder this thread is to help those that want to understand a belief in someone's religion.
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Post by Darknezz on Feb 23, 2009 23:25:40 GMT -5
Oh my god, can you be any stupider?
Atheism is not the belief that there is no god. That isn't how the word is defined anywhere among Atheists ourselves, except the occasional, uneducated prick like you.
Atheism is the disbelief of a claim, that claim being that a God exists.
You, asshat, are missing the entire structure of the concept. Atheism isn't something people believe in, it has no room for personal interpretation of the word. There is no dogma, no set of beliefs, not even an organized gathering outside of certain clubs and groups in small areas. There is nothing to be "devout" about.
I realize you must think your logic of, "I'm stupid so I'm gonna spout uneducated gibberish and then try to back it up with circular logic" works in some form of debate on the planet Xenu. The problem is, this is Earth, where humans with brains exist.
And to clarify, I'm not a Christian, nor have I ever been tied to any religion, except being forced to attend a church with my grandmother once. If I were part of some sort of religion, I would accept your claim of being a devout Atheist, because I would be a closed-minded, uneducated and disrespectful twatwaffle like your self.
Good day.
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Post by str4ngerd4nger on Feb 23, 2009 23:38:26 GMT -5
i generally stay away from stuff like this mainly because of the uneducated things that are said and have almost no relevance to the topic of Religion, much like this post.
But really I just came to say that I believe what I think is right, I have been raised catholic and my faith is pretty strong.
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Im just happy noone is picking apart my post and criticizing me.
