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Post by Darknezz on Jun 24, 2009 18:42:01 GMT -5
so i just got banned for calling rena a stupid bitch, which she is. i am not sorry. i do not seek forgiveness for calling her a stupid bitch. i'm appealing this ban because it is an unfair ban and it has proved several points that i have been observing for months now. after rena called me a stupid prick and to suck on a ballsack, i responded with "rena i have you on ignore you stupid bitch. i would gladly suck on a ballsack because i heard the salty taste is quite pleasant." then B& no what im wondering is why she wasnt TO'd/B& for starting a fight, same with geistae. i honestly dont give a shit if i am unbanned from this post, because i will be bringing this up to other mods and getting their opinion and maybe even an unban either way. what i am also here to say is that you mods need to stop abusing your power, in the past week i have been un-rightfully purge. i also notice that you mods have been treating women specially. i think this because multiple women have been voiced and avoided a TO/ban (like the case with rena) i am not meaning this in a "fuck women" way. i mean this in a "Women should be treated EQUAL way." i am not the only person to notice this too, iront even told me mods have been abusing their power. the mods are the reason chat is going down the shitter |
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Post by Darknezz on Jun 24, 2009 18:42:29 GMT -5
so i just got banned for calling rena a stupid bitch, which she is. i am not sorry. i do not seek forgiveness for calling her a stupid bitch. i'm appealing this ban because it is an unfair ban and it has proved several points that i have been observing for months now. after rena called me a stupid prick and to suck on a ballsack, i responded with "rena i have you on ignore you stupid bitch. i would gladly suck on a ballsack because i heard the salty taste is quite pleasant." then B& no what im wondering is why she wasnt TO'd/B& for starting a fight, same with geistae. i honestly dont give a shit if i am unbanned from this post, because i will be bringing this up to other mods and getting their opinion and maybe even an unban either way.
what i am also here to say is that you mods need to stop abusing your power, in the past week i have been un-rightfully purge. i also notice that you mods have been treating women specially. i think this because multiple women have been voiced and avoided a TO/ban (like the case with rena) i am not meaning this in a "fuck women" way. i mean this in a "Women should be treated EQUAL way." i am not the only person to notice this too, iront even told me mods have been abusing their power. the mods are the reason chat is going down the shitter Agreed, I have not been effected by this directly, but I have seen people get timed out for no reason at all lately. Also I have noticed that when a girl joins chat and lets everyone know that she is a girl she gets a special treatment above anyone else. |
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Post by Darknezz on Jun 24, 2009 18:43:15 GMT -5
As stupid and wrong as I think Stranger is, he does bring up a couple valid points, the first of which being that Rena and Cash did in fact incite the flamewar, and even went further than he did first, and yet remained unpunished. It seems, at first glance, that Stranger is being treated unfairly.
While I agree that Rena and Vash should have received TOs, as well as Stranger, a ban is a bit far, especially when only one party was banned. Regarding this, however, I feel my opinion doesn't matter, as I'm not a mod.
This brings me to Stranger's second point; The mods have been unfair towards women and abusive towards men and the people of unknown gender recently. As I am not a chat mod, I feel my voice is probably going to be disregarded on this issue as well, but it warrants discussion. While the chat mods let female members, and their friends and long-time members, go by and break rules and even giving the newest of female members voice, for no other reason than because of their genetic ability to bitch out anyone without consequence once a month.
On this matter, I honestly don't think it'll stop unless someone starts cracking down on the mods, but since that's unlikely to happen, the only thing I can think to do is for us to voice our objections. Maybe something will happen.
All of that said, I do think Stranger is wrong on a couple points. First, and maybe most importantly, getting unbanned behind the backs of the mods who banned you and support your ban will probably result in you just being rebanned and then the appeal is even less likely to be accepted, and the simple fact that you've admitted that will do it means that you're part of the problems in chat. Mods playing favorites.
His second point that I disagree with is that the mods are bringing down the community.
My main objection to this is that the chat mods aren't even really involved with the community. Skyliner frequently posts, but aside from her, I don't see the rest of the chat mods often. Hell, I barely see them on the forums at all. For that matter, I don't really see the forum mods posting either, except Ikusa and Dave.
That said, I don't think the chat mods, on the whole, are really screwing up chat any more than it already is. The few mods that actually do mod things, rather than go AFK for hours or what have you, do an impeccable job keeping the fucktards, spammers, and general cuntmuffins at bay. However, the majority of the mods that do go AFK for hours on end and leave chat to the two or three (if we're lucky) that are still there are a problem when they don't use their mod abilities for anything other than bypassing slow mode.
That said, this sounds a lot like the stuff I said months ago when I addressed the same troubles when prompted by Iront flipping out because of it one night, which he was entirely justified in doing. I hope that this doesn't go the same way that discussion did.
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Post by Darknezz on Jun 24, 2009 18:43:40 GMT -5
All of that said, I do think Stranger is wrong on a couple points. First, and maybe most importantly, getting unbanned behind the backs of the mods who banned you and support your ban will probably result in you just being rebanned and then the appeal is even less likely to be accepted, and the simple fact that you've admitted that will do it means that you're part of the problems in chat. Mods playing favorites. what i meant was that i'll be bringing this up to mods PERSONALLY and only asking to be unbanned if they agree with the points i bring up. I.E. being un-rightfully BANNED when i was not the start of this, geist was, and rena joined in |
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Post by Darknezz on Jun 24, 2009 18:43:56 GMT -5
Vash did in fact incite the flamewar. While I agree that Rena and Vash should have received TOs. 1. Yes I did "Start the flame war" due to the fact that Mr. Stranger was abusing the rules which I called him out on, that is what the argument was about. If you look at this: 2:01str4ngerd4nger:i love the *** douchebag thats been abusing their *** power for the past month.. GOOD *** JOB YOU PIECE OF *** and give satu Jynx. It explains why I called him out. You were timed out earlier for using Caps or saying something bad w/e, you may have been around for a while but RULES are RULES they apply to everyone Stranger. If that is how your going to act after a time out, that you probably deserved, then you deserve to be banned. You OFTEN put purge-worthy things into chat and that right there is proof enough. Hell I could be wrong... maybe you were TOd for no reason, but you are StrangerDanger and quite honestly your reputation of putting crap into chat is quite well known and saying stuff like that in chat Isn't going to help your case. You, like everyone else has to follow the rules. That is what I'm calling you out on. This is a heads up stranger more then an attack. If you want to complain, doing it in chat with stuff like that WILL NOT HELP YOU. 2. In my defense I DID get a time out for the argument we had. You got a TO for the argument as did I. You chose to provoke me after the 10 min and I didn't go for it, and Rena told you to STOP, as did others, you attacked Rena, and she said w/e she said to you, you counter-attacked, and this ended in your BAN stranger. That is not abuse of power. You forgot this detail in your post stranger. Your already unbanned in 4PP stranger I saw that in Ven's channel. Watch yourself Stranger... there will be a point when that unban wont come if you keep this up. |
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Post by SnowOwl96 on Jun 24, 2009 18:59:05 GMT -5
A couple things, If you want to continue your complaining do it in this thread. Wether it be with another chatter or a mod.
This is a message that I sent to Darknezz regardnig a situation that doesn't please me. And both of our thoughts.
Snow Owl Quote: I know I'm not suppose to post my thoughts in that thread since it's a place for people who are actually banned to make their claim in hopes of becoming unbanned from chat. So I thought that I would bring something things up with you. I know you're not a chat mod but you are a forum mod.
I do agree with you on a lot of things that you've said. But there is one thing that bothers me.
I read stranger's post and I couldn't help but noticed that woman are getting special treatment in chat? What???O.o That doesn't sound right to me. I thought woman wanted equal rights? If I did something wrong, I'd want a mod to time out me or ban me depending on what it I did. And how do mods know that the person in chat is actually female? I mean a guy could enter chat and say "Hey, I'm a girl! My name is jessica!" and no one would question that person because then they'd be calling that chatter a liar. So I think it's best to t'o or ban people that break the rules regardless of what sex they are and how sweet they seem in chat.
Darknezz: Exactly the point. They should be getting timed and banned as much as everyone else.
The simple fact of the matter is that women are given special treatment because they're women. As for knowing that they're women, it generally boils down to that person's profile page, their avatar, and the community's womens' needs to post their picture in the "What do you look like" thread the first thing they do. Gullibility plays a role as well.
Snow Owl Quote: On the topic of favorites. I don't like it when mods play favorites. I think some mods like me but Once again if I were to have broken a rule, I still would want to be punished for it. I don't want a slap on the wrist, I actually want to be t'o or banned for it.
Darknezz: As masochistic as that sounds, it's right. The trouble is that you're a woman, and the mods like not having their e-peen troubled by TOing or banning a woman.
Snow Owl Quote: To me a slap-on-the-wrist is kiddy and a dumb thing. Not only that but it's insulting and gives false sense to new chatters. New chatters see this as a way to not only ignore rules but break them and think that they can get away with the dumb and stupid stuff that they've posted in chat.
Darknezz: I agree.
What about the rest of you? What are your thoughts?
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Post by fullmetalkira on Jun 24, 2009 19:01:44 GMT -5
While I don't think the mods have been abusing their power,I believe the mods sometimes grant privileges to people that don't add much to the chat.
For example:last night a voiced user was asking the chat what pokemon they wanted to be,when someone asked why the user was doing that,the user's response was"well,I'm bored".This was during a live feed.
To me,that seems like spam.It only bothers me because if a person is doing something like that,they shouldn't be voiced.
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Post by jackpotdante on Jun 24, 2009 21:47:55 GMT -5
Actually, i really don't think that the mods abuse their power, they only do the right things to keep the chat in place.
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Post by str4ngerd4nger on Jun 24, 2009 22:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by Wednesday_R on Jun 24, 2009 23:12:14 GMT -5
I see four males, four females, and one name whom I don't know.
The mods do a good enough job, they have their position because 4PP trusts them with it.
We don't need this kind of "he/she started it!" drama bullshit dividing the regulars.
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Post by str4ngerd4nger on Jun 24, 2009 23:20:51 GMT -5
its not about the gender. its about them not using voice contructively
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Post by harlequinsjester on Jun 24, 2009 23:36:30 GMT -5
Just until recently I would agree a portion of the mods are somewhat abusive. And this goes along with voicing. Although many voiced chatters don't need it, voicing will always be a problem at 4pp chat. It will die down in about a week and then in month's time there will be an uprising again. I really do believe voicing and whatnot is fueled from favoritism. This is where I go into abusive mod(s). I have been banned exactly 3 times this week. Of which I have done nothing. I am not lying, because really, what the fuck could I do to get banned there? There was a mod who had just entered the chat, whom does not exactly like me too well, and off the bat I was banned. (Secretly of course, if you watch, the mod will wait until my post is off the screen to ban me) I was unbanned all 3 times, and right now it seems I'm banned again. The only thing I had said in chat this time was "hate you too  " and that was to Bakarena. The same mod unvoiced me the other night. I was voiced because I was talking to one of the mods and checking to see the abusive person was not there, "it" strolled in and Oh! I was unvoiced, right in the middle of my conversation. Quite upsetting if you ask me, seeing as I defended this person from the debate about unmodding But anyways. I agree with what has been said about treating the women of 4pp equally to the men. It's really starting to get out of hands. Especially the voicing. I'm going to stick with the idea of voicing only the few people who are helping the caster. If I recall eagleeyes was helping Brad, I don't believe he was voiced. I know fabbit was at one point, so not much to say there, but voicing is quite ridiculous now. |
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Post by fullmetalkira on Jun 25, 2009 0:24:59 GMT -5
Just until recently I would agree a portion of the mods are somewhat abusive. And this goes along with voicing. Although many voiced chatters don't need it, voicing will always be a problem at 4pp chat. It will die down in about a week and then in month's time there will be an uprising again. I really do believe voicing and whatnot is fueled from favoritism. This is where I go into abusive mod(s). I have been banned exactly 3 times this week. Of which I have done nothing. I am not lying, because really, what the fuck could I do to get banned there? There was a mod who had just entered the chat, whom does not exactly like me too well, and off the bat I was banned. (Secretly of course, if you watch, the mod will wait until my post is off the screen to ban me) I was unbanned all 3 times, and right now it seems I'm banned again. The only thing I had said in chat this time was "hate you too " and that was to Bakarena. The same mod unvoiced me the other night. I was voiced because I was talking to one of the mods and checking to see the abusive person was not there, "it" strolled in and Oh! I was unvoiced, right in the middle of my conversation. Quite upsetting if you ask me, seeing as I defended this person from the debate about unmodding But anyways. I agree with what has been said about treating the women of 4pp equally to the men. It's really starting to get out of hands. Especially the voicing. I'm going to stick with the idea of voicing only the few people who are helping the caster. If I recall eagleeyes was helping Brad, I don't believe he was voiced. I know fabbit was at one point, so not much to say there, but voicing is quite ridiculous now. do you know who bans you? |
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Post by IkusaGTx on Jun 25, 2009 0:27:28 GMT -5
Honestly voicing comes and Peaks in Valleys One week alot of people get voiced the next week hardly anyone does.
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Post by hongryeon on Jun 25, 2009 14:03:27 GMT -5
Hmph. No-one told me that I could pull out the female card and get away with everything.  Jokes aside, I do sincerely believe that a few mods are playing favourites; turning a blind eye by avoiding TOs or voicing people when unnecessary. Of course, I'm the new guy so maybe I haven't figured out the whole hierarchy of the chat so well or something. However, the mods, from what I've seen, do a great job with their chat duties besides the occasional favouritism. Mods are humans, so I guess there are different views on when something can be deemed offensive enough to be banned for, and when something can be considered to be spam. That's my two cents anyway. |
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