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Post by harlequinsjester on Jan 31, 2009 23:30:41 GMT -5
The contents of this thread will be based religiously, for "Bible" people will be mentioned. Please keep an open mind.
What came first?
Adam and Eve, or Cavemen?
We have two people, man and woman, who were said to be the "first people", created by the hands of God and the rib of man.
But then we have this group of humans who are not so "advanced" as Adam and Eve were. They roamed with the first animals on Earth.
I asked this same question to a very smart individual, and his response was, "and there is a possibilty that Eden and the "dinosaur world" were on different parts of the globe, suggesting that both might have existed at the same time".
What he told me quite literally blew my mind, I really don't know what to think, lol but hey, we all have our own ideas and opinions.
But, what do you think.
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Post by Darknezz on Feb 1, 2009 3:47:11 GMT -5
So, are we to debate evolution and the origin of species, or whether or not there were a literal Adam and Eve?
Whoever told you that man and dinosaurs walked the Earth at the same time is someone I would probably laugh at, as he is most likely a Young Earth Creationist. We have very strong evidence pointing to dinosaurs being extinct before even primitive man.
The theory of evolution is pretty solid, considering the fossil record and observation of species, not to mention that we have actually, in a way, caused evolution through the cultivation of certain species of plant with the traits we like, the easiest example of which is the banana.
Whether there really were an Adam and Eve is also quite possible, but not in the biblical sense.
Geneticists have found a mutation on the X chromosome that every woman on the planet shares, and it has been dubbed the "Eve mutation," because it is thought to be the mutation that makes women exactly that; Women.
The same is true on the Y chromosome, and for men. The biggest problem, however, with the biblical Adam and Eve is that the Adam mutation first turned up somewhere around fifty thousand years after the Eve mutation. Plus, a single man and a single woman creating an entire species, that's kind of a stupid premise, too.
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Post by harlequinsjester on Feb 1, 2009 14:05:59 GMT -5
Young man, I do believe I said to keep an open mind. It seems you possess quite a closed and ignorant one.
When he mentioned, "dinosaur world" he was talking in a sense that he is human and that when saying, "dinosaur world" he knows instinctively that people will think about cavemen. He is not a Young Earth Creationist, he just simply has his own opinion. I guess he should have worded it a bit different. I'm sorry on his behalf. Here: "and there is a possibilty that Eden and the "early caveman world" were on different parts of the globe, suggesting that both might have existed at the same time".
Do you even know what a Young Earth Creationist is?
Next, how dare you laugh at someone for their own, individual opinion. I don't laugh at you for making humongous walls of text backed up by quick facts you searched in wikipedia. How dare you. You may not agree with other's opinions, but that doesn't give you the fact to laugh and kick someone down for having a creative and open mind.
Third, I did not mention any thing about evolution. Whether you believe we evolved from monkeys or not, I couldn't give a rats behind. This thread was to discuss what came first. So please stop creating fillers with random facts that are twisted in a such manner that make you look smart. (;
And lastly, did I ask about genetic make up of man and woman? Noooo. I asked, and I quote, "What came first?". And where the hell did you get the idea of one man and one woman created an entire species? Please! PLEASE tell me oh mighty boy, where you got that? Yes, they are mentioned as the first parents of all mankind, but no, Eve and Adam did not produce mankind from his sperm and her egg. It was said they had 3 distinct children, along with others. But not hundreds and hundreds of them to populate the region.
Oh, and if you didn't understand the question, why'd you post a response? What came first? Kinda an easy question to understand, right? I guess for some it isn't.
Thank you for your time Darknezz. (: It has been a pleasure.
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Post by xxtackyx on Feb 1, 2009 14:15:23 GMT -5
Biology and God go hand in hand IMO, maybe the first humans were humanoids and the Bible Creators just wanted to simplify to.
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Post by xxtackyx on Feb 1, 2009 14:30:36 GMT -5
tackey stop making stupid posts if you dont have anything to add to the converstation dont post at all.  |
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Post by harlequinsjester on Feb 1, 2009 15:06:55 GMT -5
Hey hey, you two stop. I kinda do support what you said tacky...Minus the humanoid part lol But a fair argument. I think that Biology was created around the Bible myths/stories/fables, what not. Because back in the day everyone was big on Christianity and Catholicism.
But it is quite interesting to see that the Bible says that woman was created from the rib of man. And yet...no Biology geniuses were there to say that it was just coincidence of how the woman rib cage is different than man's.
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Post by xxtackyx on Feb 1, 2009 15:18:52 GMT -5
Hey hey, you two stop. I kinda do support what you said tacky...Minus the humanoid part lol But a fair argument. I think that Biology was created around the Bible myths/stories/fables, what not. Because back in the day everyone was big on Christianity and Catholicism. But it is quite interesting to see that the Bible says that woman was created from the rib of man. And yet...no Biology geniuses were there to say that it was just coincidence of how the woman rib cage is different than man's. No, I think the first humans were called humanoids. And being in Africa back then without all this modernization would probably be like a Garden Of Eden |
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Post by vensito on Feb 1, 2009 19:55:19 GMT -5
If you think about it, back how ever million years ago, the globe was basically set as one big patch of land and the water surrounding it, know as Pangea, and if you seperated Eden from the rest of the "evil" world being consisted of Cavemen and such, then they both could have existed at the same time, meaning that it would solve the case of how they populated the entire world, dealing with Adam and Eve and the cavemen I mean.
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Post by Travis on Feb 1, 2009 19:57:55 GMT -5
lol YAY someone took dark down a level. If anyone could do it, knew it would be harle.
anyways.
I am honestly somewhere on the same page as dark, where there was an "adam and eve" but not in the biblical sense at all. the... retarded cave men before us finally made some real babies and they made some sexy time.
so really, i think cavemen came first, and through cavemen spawned the adam and eve.
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Post by harlequinsjester on Feb 1, 2009 20:33:52 GMT -5
I didn't want to have to bring anyone down, and I wouldn't have had to if darknezz just gave me a straight answer of what he believes, instead of some stupid banana evolution.
Where I stand in this topic, I have no clue lol. I was raised with the thought of Adam and Eve being the first on Earth, but then I started to ponder about...the theory of the Earth being formed and then cavemen showed up.
What confuses me even more is that, when I started to fall for the cavemen being first, what didn't quite get me was that, cavemen weren't "advanced" in a sense that they supposedly talked in grunting noises and all that. And then we have these people who spoke with a set language resembling ours today.
So what I'm getting at is, why an "advanced" race before a "stupid" one?
And yet, it all depends on what you believe, religiously. If you're religious then of course A and E were first. But if you aren't then cavemen, right?
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Post by rabbeseking on Feb 1, 2009 20:44:26 GMT -5
I prefer to not even think about it, as it has no effect on my life.
Whatever happened, happened, and we will never know.
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Post by evilplans on Feb 1, 2009 20:48:18 GMT -5
I prefer to not even think about it, as it has no effect on my life. Whatever happened, happened, and we will never know. I agree. |
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Post by Darknezz on Feb 1, 2009 22:03:52 GMT -5
Young man, I do believe I said to keep an open mind. It seems you possess quite a closed and ignorant one. I'm ignorant because I look at the facts surrounding and supporting evolution and dismiss creationism? Okay. Whatever you say. You're right, he should have worded it better, because when you stick cavemen in the same time period as dinosaurs, it makes you look foolish. That said, there's also no evidence for the garden of Eden in the first place. One who believes the 7-day creation story at the beginning of the Bible is a literal telling and that the Earth is merely thousands of years old. "Creative and open" meaning "willing to believe the stupid" in this case. If that's the definition you're going to use, by all means, call me close-minded. When you'd like to talk about the nature of reality and not just hocus-pocus bibbilty-gook, please, feel free to change that definition. No, you asked simply if an Adam and Eve or Cavemen came first. I was simply wondering if we were supposed to debate evolution because the biblical account of an Adam and Eve contradicts in almost ever way the theory of evolution. Again, I was confused as to what the topic actually was supposed to be about, and for that, I'm sorry. And I got the "idea" that one man and one woman created a species from the godsdamn biblical account of this shit that says every creature was created in seven days, and then two fricken people were spawned. Obviously, there has to be something that made the species as it is today, and since the bible doesn't mention God creating more humans, I figured it had to be Adam and Eve procreating. I thought I understood what you were asking, simply repeating the question doesn't help. I think I get it now, though, "What came first, cavemen or Adam and Eve?" right? Well, then it's simple. Cavemen. There's no evidence for the biblical Adam and Eve. |
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Post by harlequinsjester on Feb 1, 2009 22:37:12 GMT -5
Willing to believe the stupid? What deep, dark, ravenous place did you pull that from? Did you not get anything from what I said in response before, about respecting opinions?
If you really think this is stupid then why the F.UCK are you here?! Yeah sure it's freedom of speech and blah blah, but seriously darknezz. If you think this is stupid just state a direct answer, and leave. Don't beat around the god damn bush.
And you know what? Just for your viewing purposes I AM going to restate the question until you actually get it through your head:
What came first, Adam and Eve, or Cavemen?
Did I ask you to outline something you didn't understand? No. I asked what came first. But in case you still don't understand you can read Travis' and Tacky's posts. They simply stated what they believed came first.
Now, if you asked me to further explain what was to be debated you should have just asked. Don't go into detail about other things I already know about! It's nice to know how smart you are, but I don't care right now. I asked you what came first.
A simple: Cavemen came first.
or
Adam and Eve came first.
IS PERFECTLY FINE! I love either one!!!
And as for you being ignorant? You already called yourself an ignorant "bastard"( I'll just put that last part in for my entertainment.) here in this thread. Must I use thousands of quotes to show you?
I think I should.
(Hopefully one quote will do the job.)
Right there. You thought you understood but didn't. I only ask that either you research on what you don't totally understand, or you keep out of things you don't. It only causes problems, like this! (:
On the point where you called my friend foolish, now that just sets me off. I don't sit here and call you foolish just because you look at facts and are stubborn when it comes to being open.
Oh and to correct you about the definition on open-minded it means that you are open to new ideas. Not willing to believe the stupid.
Hey! Here's a cool idea!!!!! You should try to be open-minded!! No one likes a stubborn prick. (;
But of course darknezz. Thank you for once again giving me this pleasure.
Oh and hey!!! Look!! You answered the question!!
Cavemen came first in your opinion.
Why thank you dear child. And I hope you do well in life, your mind set might do you good.
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Post by Darknezz on Feb 1, 2009 22:48:44 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Harle, but I couldn't resist.  |
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