Music Debate Thread

[str4ngerd4nger]

Refer to title.

generally for everyone who wants to take part, but i decided to make this because of me, pally, and nylons talking about this.
Pally... you go ahead and go first.

[ramoramopo]

Punk is best, it beats the rest, no challenge, stand down

[Cocyx The Skeleton]

punk is barely music, more a stupid lifestyle

[mypallyowndu]

Punk is much more than "barely music." Indeed, part of their project was to re-invent what counted as rock music. And, really, can you honestly tell me that London Calling is not music?

The "lifestyle" part of it, I think, is important, but not defining. Indeed, all genres of music are forms of self-expression about who we think we are/want to be. Punks think of themselves as anti-authoritarian and anti-establishment. That self-identity extends into their music, which certainly aspires to be anti-establishment.

Plus, because punk is in part an attitude, people like Elvis Costello count as punk as well even though he looks like a nerdy music journalist. No mohawks or nuthin.

[Cocyx The Skeleton]

if i had eyes i'd roll them so hard they'd fall out of my sockets

i didn't say it wasn't music, i said it was -barely- music, sure, early punk stuff like ramones and sex pistols have more originality and artistic merit then pop-punk vomit like greenday, but thats only a sliver of the genre that is actually remotely listenable to me

[mypallyowndu]

Well, at the same time, damning a genre based on the worst excesses of it is also not fair.

Modern punk and post-punk bands that rock" Jay Reatard (dare I say he's the reincarnation of Iggy?), Giddy Motors, Wire (originally from the late 70s English post-punk movement), Mission of Burma (veterans from the 80s Boston scene who are still going strong), Fugazi (on hiatus), and Les Savy Fav (coolest band from Brooklyn).

All of those bands continued to push the envelope of music, blending elements from noise, hardcore, and minimalism with lyrcis that range from the confrontational and absurdist (McLusky) to the highly complex and cryptic (Fugazi, Wire) to the downright politically subversive (Gang of Four).

Plus there's the whole dance-punk movement which injected a lot of booty-shakin fun into the genre (see The Rapture).

Not saying you have to like it just saying it's a big, complex genre with a rich history and a bright future.

[str4ngerd4nger]

rap is crap

[ZombiNe]

Honestly I like pretty much all music, accept for Country. I just don't like it. It's just the way the Country singers sing, it annoys me.

[Cocyx The Skeleton]

sounds like a pretty schizophrenic genre to me

probably if i heard most of the stuff you just named i wouldn't consider it punk but yeah, i'm more biased against the pop-punk mainstream bullshit movement



also the whole 'well durr i listen to everything but rap and country' thing that teenagers are pulling off in this decade is seriously beginning to grind at my nerves

[ramoramopo]

i say one line and cocyx and sam are in a debate.why am i so powerful? We still dont know what you like cocyx

[phillip00]

Classic Rock, or rock and roll. You can't listen to anything better.

The Beatles, The Eagles, Def Leppard, Queen, ACDC, Tears for Fears, The Police, The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, U2.

Nope, nothing can sound better.

[moosechives]

Ah, the music thread. ^_^
Here we go.

Blues: BB King, Albert King, Freddie King, Joe Bonamassa, Muddy Waters, SRV (of course)
Jazz: Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker, Wes Montgomery
Classic Rock: Beatles, Led Zep, AC/DC, Hendrix, Robin Trower
Instrumental(Wth is this classified as?): Steve Vai, John Petrucci(solo album), Eric Johnson, Joe Satriani, Andy Timmons, Guthrie Govan
Heavy Metal/Thrash Metal: Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Pantera, Exodus, Exhorder
Death Metal: Death, Necrophagist, Disgorge, Decrepit Birth, Odious Mortem
Grindcore: Nasum, Excrementory Grindfuckers, *I'd better stop cause these names are really bad*
Rap/Hip Hop: Immortal Technique, Necro
R&B: (don't hate me for this lol) Dru Hill, Ginuwine, R. Kelly (pre Mr. Pedobear's gonna pee on you)
Yep, that's only a partial list off the top of my head though.

[sketchrazor]

Yeah.. I'd have to say Punk isn't very good.. At all.
My personal favourite music is for sure Metal, and some select jazz. Like Tower of Power =3
But I'm for sure against rap. It just isn't my hunk of cheese.

[Cocyx The Skeleton]

i can listen to anything but i prefer breakcore and braindance

i also like jazz and orchestra music

[phillip00]

Nov 6, 2008 1:11:53 GMT -5 moosechives said:

Ah, the music thread. ^_^
Here we go.
Jazz: Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker, Wes Montgomery
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You forgot Maynard Furgesson (sp?), Count Basie, Dizzy Gillespie, and most recent and my favorite (until I heard his new album, Act Your Age) Gordon Goodwin and his Big Phat Band.

I mean honestly, what was Act Your Age all about. Considering the album title and the style that he's been going with, this album is supposed to show a more mature jazz band. I don't like it. I liked his "mainstream jazz" jazz you can listen to without feeling like you're doing it for a music theory or jazz class. Another thing that got me a little mad is the exclusion of the acapella group Take 6 (or is it 5). I think they would've been perfect for his rendition of (Earth Wind and Fire's) September.