psyfi
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Post by psyfi on Mar 14, 2009 14:10:58 GMT -5
Yeah but Athiests don't have a form of ritualism or established place.
There is a book by Anton called The Satanic Rituals which is a book of ceremonies that can be preformed.
They are, more or less, ceremonies that can just be used to either make your belief more profound or have others take part in that are interested in Satanism and want to see what it's like.
In The Satanic Bible there is also a section in the back where you learn the ceremonies used to preform magic.
There are three main ones, desctruction (hexes and curses), compassion (helping yourself or others you feel like helping), and lust (which is sorta obvious).
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Post by shortbus on Mar 14, 2009 15:27:41 GMT -5
Yes, but those magic things aren't actual spells, like Oblivion or anything like that. My understanding is that destruction, for instance, can be destroying somebody's spirit, or morale, by words. Destroying them verbally, by well placed insults, to make them feel as if they are a non-person.
My 3 LaVeyan friends don't do the voodoo abracadabra hokuspokus stuff, that belongs in theistic satanism.
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Post by psyfi on Mar 14, 2009 15:38:16 GMT -5
Yes, but those magic things aren't actual spells, like Oblivion or anything like that. My understanding is that destruction, for instance, can be destroying somebody's spirit, or morale, by words. Destroying them verbally, by well placed insults, to make them feel as if they are a non-person. My 3 LaVeyan friends don't do the voodoo abracadabra hokuspokus stuff, that belongs in theistic satanism. lol Yes, it's not a group of witches and wizards that cast potions. The way I view the "magic" is more a manipulation of energy. Because as it does say in the Bible, we can do a "hex" but it's more like manipulating negative energy to be directed toward the targeted person. |
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Post by AznSenzation on Mar 14, 2009 22:33:27 GMT -5
Don't freak out, AznSensation, LaVeyan satanism is, in many ways, better than Christianity, Catholicism, all the Abrahamic religions. LaVeyan satanism has no dogma and no god; You worship yourself. Don't go off thinking it means you have to be arrogant, though. It just means that you come first when in matters of food, shelter, &c. LaVeyan Satanists are usually thrown into the same group with theistic satanists (These are the people you hear about, doing rituals and stuff). Read up on it. (Don't take things about magic seriously - All the LaVeyans I know interpret it to mean other things, not ACTUAL magic.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_SatanismNo, no, I understand. It's just that when I was growing up, I learned Satanism was to worship the devil. I didn't know what LaVeyan Satanism was. |
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Post by psyfi on Mar 14, 2009 23:33:37 GMT -5
Don't freak out, AznSensation, LaVeyan satanism is, in many ways, better than Christianity, Catholicism, all the Abrahamic religions. LaVeyan satanism has no dogma and no god; You worship yourself. Don't go off thinking it means you have to be arrogant, though. It just means that you come first when in matters of food, shelter, &c. LaVeyan Satanists are usually thrown into the same group with theistic satanists (These are the people you hear about, doing rituals and stuff). Read up on it. (Don't take things about magic seriously - All the LaVeyans I know interpret it to mean other things, not ACTUAL magic.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_SatanismNo, no, I understand. It's just that when I was growing up, I learned Satanism was to worship the devil. I didn't know what LaVeyan Satanism was. As is to be expected. The term "Satan" applied to anything automatically makes it "bad". |
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Post by shilohdegreat on Mar 17, 2009 8:56:00 GMT -5
Okay, I'm going to post something I know probably has come up. Satanism. I am a LeVeyen Satanist. And our view of God is...there is only one true god and that god is you. You are you're own god. You create your life. You shape, create, and destroy. To worship an external being is to worship the man who created that idea. So in short, you should worship yourself. Indulgence in what makes you happy and feel good. Love those who deserve love and hate those that deserve hate. Be human. I find it ironic that there's a "religion" supporting individualism. I don't disagree, I just think it's very ironic. |
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Post by sarge on Mar 17, 2009 9:01:22 GMT -5
I had heard of LeVeyen Satanism, yet i didn't know that it was different from the "Ritualistic magician" Satanists.
That's good to know.
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Post by iplayofp on Mar 24, 2009 3:00:50 GMT -5
No matter how many times you guys argue, you will NEVER change the mind of the other person no matter how intelligent you think you are or how many Bible passages or Wiki or documentaries you see, you will NEVER convince the other person, Im sorry but this is fruitless, its either a few Atheists complementing each other or a few Christians defending each other. This debate will yield no winners
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Post by r1co281 on Mar 24, 2009 3:25:18 GMT -5
cool story bro
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Post by yellowfishstick on Apr 1, 2009 5:24:27 GMT -5
What is God
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
No-more
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Post by Xalgar on Apr 3, 2009 0:48:26 GMT -5
Alright time for ol' Xalgar to throw in his 2 cents.
A little introduction of myself, I grew up Catholic but eventually leaned towards Agnosticism since I have the habits that would make a good journalist and Judge, I NEED face to face unplausible evidence and clues to come up with a final decision and I need to know "Why".
In my eyes, religion is a primitive (no offense) belief to make humans feel more comfortable, controlled (morality), and feel like they have a safety net. Some religion is for good intentions while others may be invented by some guys to fool people so they can take over. I am having trouble believing in deities at the moment because there is never any physical proof that tells me otherwise, also, a lot of people who are very spiritual are in my eyes, partially to completely insane. The U.S. being mainly populated by Christian sheep it seems, petition many laws to ban gay marriage and other annoying crap like that because it isn't "Christian" because these people and the Senators and people who sit in the House of Representatives seem to have a hard time understanding that there are OTHER RELIGIONS!!! Anyone who says "Marriage to me means one man and one women" should lick a running diamond edged lumber saw.
Metal currency and the Pledge of Allegiance piss me off by how naive it is for them to put "one nation, under god" for a country that has freedom of religion, maybe I am thinking too literally and it actually means something different, I'm not sure but I am far too busy to find out.
As a person with agnostic beliefs, I do not follow any deities but I do think they may exist. It like a atheist that's on the fence. But I am leaning towards Buddha which to me, makes the most sense.
I do, however, have respect for those who do follow religions, and if you tell me "God bless you" I will take it as your cultures' way of saying "Thank you". Just don't be arrogant about it.
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Post by BOPPeed on Apr 3, 2009 21:17:50 GMT -5
I believe in a higher being, but I don't know what it is, may it be God or a spaghetti monster. No religion has enough proof for me too decide.
BTW Thank you, Darknezz for not being afraid to ask all the questions that everyone seems timid to talk about.
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Post by Darknezz on Apr 3, 2009 21:19:23 GMT -5
I believe in a higher being, but I don't know what it is, may it be God or a spaghetti monster. No religion has enough proof for me too decide. BTW Thank you, Darknezz for not being afraid to ask all the questions that everyone seems timid to talk about. Stop posting in the debate forum for the sake of post count, please. This is a place to debate, not just post your opinion without trying to back it up with reasonable arguments. I'm gonna have to talk to Dave about getting a sticky in here. :/ |
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Post by AznSenzation on Apr 3, 2009 21:21:47 GMT -5
What is it about this thread that draws people in, causing them to bring it back?
And I don't think that deserves a sticky, since is just a popular debate.
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Post by Darknezz on Apr 3, 2009 21:53:42 GMT -5
Not for this thread, Azn. I mean for a Debates Forum Guidelines type thing.
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