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Post by shilohdegreat on Mar 5, 2009 21:46:27 GMT -5
God used Science to make us...... end this thread but seriously that is what I believe and I will believe no matter what You're good at debates, and totally not a close-minded freak that contradicted himself. Nothing he said was contradictory, so stop arguing through argumentum ad hominem. If you disagree, make a point. That's how a debate works. You're making an argument. |
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Post by Darknezz on Mar 5, 2009 21:59:13 GMT -5
You're good at debates, and totally not a close-minded freak that contradicted himself. Nothing he said was contradictory, so stop arguing through argumentum ad hominem. If you disagree, make a point. That's how a debate works. You're making an argument. He didn't make a claim to debate and has already said that nothing will change his mind. Ad hominem only applies when I'm trying to discredit his point through insults. I was just insulting him for having no point and posting in a debate thread with no intention of debating. |
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Post by iplayofp on Mar 5, 2009 22:45:55 GMT -5
So I am close minded by combining two things that dont agree? Plus, according to Atheists, God has no proof of creating us and according to Christians, Science has no origin of how it all began, put 2 and 2 together and you get something that actually makes sense. God used science to make us.
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Post by Darknezz on Mar 5, 2009 23:53:59 GMT -5
So I am close minded by combining two things that dont agree? Plus, according to Atheists, God has no proof of creating us and according to Christians, Science has no origin of how it all began, put 2 and 2 together and you get something that actually makes sense. God used science to make us. First off, science isn't something that can be used to do anything. Science is a way of understanding the things around us. It isn't some object. The scientific method is how we form theories, and theories are the best explanation for the evidence we have. You're close minded for stating that "nothing will change my mind." If logical thought and argument can't change your mind, you can't claim to not have a closed mind. In fact, that's the entire definition. Now, on to your argument about God creating us... There is no evidence supporting the idea of a God having created us, through evolution or through the genesis account of it. If you have some, present it. We have a theory called the Big Bang theory, and we have the theory of evolution to explain how we came to be. No, we can't explain abiogenesis, or the origin of life, nor do we know what caused the Big Bang, but that doesn't make s God any more likely or plausible. Please, show me how you jump from "we don't know" to "it must be God." |
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Post by iplayofp on Mar 6, 2009 2:09:12 GMT -5
But if the Big Bang theory is real, where did it come from? Where did God come from. In science, doesnt it say something cant come from nothing? So we cant really debate something that we will never know the answer to.
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Post by 669 on Mar 6, 2009 10:36:51 GMT -5
If there's a point in there I would like to hear it. The point was to correct your horrid spelling and then I went on to offer the idea that the famous renaissance artists were not truly devout Christians, since back then the Church was the Word, and the artists didn't necessarily follow Christian doctrine. Vegetarianism, homosexual thoughts, and lust were all sins according to the Church's doctrine (as well as that of the Bible, but the Bible is no longer the supreme authority). I was making the point that the creators of the Sistine Chapel took religion and created art, and that they were not devout in their faith. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand. Well sorry if my spelling wasn't perfect, English is my third language so I do makes typos from time to time and maybe the artist is not a devote christian but I'm pretty sure the Vatican have a lot of devoted christians but they don't seem to have a problem with it. |
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Post by Darknezz on Mar 6, 2009 14:19:05 GMT -5
But if the Big Bang theory is real, where did it come from? Where did God come from. In science, doesnt it say something cant come from nothing? So we cant really debate something that we will never know the answer to. The big bang theory IS real. It really is a theory. Unless you mean, "If the big bang happened the way the theory says it did..." then I already explained to you that just because we don't know what caused the big bang doesn't make a God creating us any more likely or true, nor does it give it any more evidence. You bring up the "Infinite regression" argument. "Where did God come from?" There are only two choices (and no, this isn't a false dichotomy), either "God has always been" and the logic falls apart, or "Such and such" and the response to that is "What made such and such?" and it goes on ad infinitum. The trouble with infinite regression is that you can then never justify any claim ever and it's basically just a red herring. As for "something can't come from nothing," you're right. Too bad no one has ever said that we came from nothing. Unless you mean the singularity at the beginning of the big bang, and then we're right back to infinite regression. Oh, and it's been theorized that the laws of science as we understand them today may have been much much different during the start of our universe. As for your last sentence; That's the exact purpose of debate. We may not know whether or not a God exists, but it's an important issue, and I'd like to figure out whether or not one does exist, through the best possible means we can. Logical thought, looking at the evidence and then deciding based upon these. If you don't think it's a big deal, if you don't think that a God existing will affect the world, then get out the thread. |
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Post by AznSenzation on Mar 6, 2009 22:59:10 GMT -5
So then in that case, that just leads to God being the creator of all scientific aspects of how we and everything was created, or at least in the eyes of who do believe in God. There's really no way for me to get you to believe in God darknezz.
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Post by iplayofp on Mar 7, 2009 0:05:28 GMT -5
lol, I stopped reading after you said the theory is real, a theory is a theory not fact and that is why most Atheists are ignorant about there own beliefs and Im debating that God is real, not that he will affect the world. Even Scientists say the theory is a fact.
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Post by Darknezz on Mar 7, 2009 0:31:39 GMT -5
lol, I stopped reading after you said the theory is real, a theory is a theory not fact and that is why most Atheists are ignorant about there own beliefs and Im debating that God is real, not that he will affect the world. Even Scientists say the theory is a fact. Atheists have no "beliefs" in a spiritual sense. I would also like to direct you to www.notjustatheory.com which lists sources on its information. Thanks for being ignorant, though. And I never said it was a fact. I said it really was a theory. Thanks for reading the rest of the paragraph, though. I'd like some evidence to support the God idea, though. |
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Post by AznSenzation on Mar 7, 2009 0:41:22 GMT -5
I'd like some evidence to support the God idea, though. Lke I've said, there is no hard evidence, and it just relies on belief. If you don't have belief, then god just doesn't exist in your eyes. |
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Post by Darknezz on Mar 7, 2009 0:47:53 GMT -5
I'd like some evidence to support the God idea, though. Lke I've said, there is no hard evidence, and it just relies on belief. If you don't have belief, then god just doesn't exist in your eyes. Okay, and why should I take it on faith? Azn, if you're not here to debate, get out of the thread. |
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Post by AznSenzation on Mar 7, 2009 0:51:31 GMT -5
Lke I've said, there is no hard evidence, and it just relies on belief. If you don't have belief, then god just doesn't exist in your eyes. Okay, and why should I take it on faith? Azn, if you're not here to debate, get out of the thread. Yes Ma'am |
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Post by 669 on Mar 7, 2009 5:33:44 GMT -5
So then in that case, that just leads to God being the creator of all scientific aspects of how we and everything was created, or at least in the eyes of who do believe in God. There's really no way for me to get you to believe in God darknezz. Well that's what you might think, but that's not what it says in the bible. |
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Post by lastactionjoe on Mar 7, 2009 20:17:44 GMT -5
I think God is that extra push to pull that kid and his pet out of a burning building.
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